Diversify or Disappear: How Publishers Win in 2026

April 30, 2026 Podcasts
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Lee-Ann Johnstone - Founder of Affiverse
What happens when the biggest threat to your publishing business is also buried inside the data you're not looking at? Jorge Barbosa of wecantrack, joins Lee-Ann to talk about what is actually happening to publishers right now, why most of them are flying blind without realising it, and what the ones who are thriving are doing differently. The conversation covers HCU updates, AI overviews cannibalising traffic, the overlooked relationship between affiliate managers and publishers, and why EPC broken down by traffic source might be the most important number in your business that you're not tracking.
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April 30, 2026

What happens when the biggest threat to your publishing business is also buried inside the data you’re not looking at?

Jorge Barbosa of wecantrack, joins Lee-Ann to talk about what is actually happening to publishers right now, why most of them are flying blind without realising it, and what the ones who are thriving are doing differently. The conversation covers HCU updates, AI overviews cannibalising traffic, the overlooked relationship between affiliate managers and publishers, and why EPC broken down by traffic source might be the most important number in your business that you’re not tracking.

Talking Points Include:

  • The visibility gap most publishers don’t know they have and why logging into your affiliate network reports is not the same as understanding your business
  • How one publisher shifted from 80 percent organic to 80 percent paid traffic over four years and grew overall revenue in the process
  • Why AI overviews are changing the user journey in ways that affect affiliate managers just as much as publishers and what you should be doing about it depending on who your audience actually is
  • The case for affiliate managers paying for their top publishers’ tracking tools and the commercial intelligence that comes back in return

Stop Running Your Publishing Business on Incomplete Data

Most publishers know they are generating revenue. What they often cannot tell you is where it is coming from, which content is converting, which traffic sources are worth doubling down on, and which channels they are quietly undervaluing. Jorge sees this every single day in demos with publishers who come in convinced they have a handle on their numbers.

The pattern is consistent. A publisher is generating traffic across a website, YouTube channel, and Reddit. They assume the website is doing the heavy lifting. The data tells a different story. YouTube, which they had written off as a secondary channel, turns out to convert at a rate that dwarfs the organic traffic volume they have been prioritising. They had no visibility into it. Without the data, they were optimising in the wrong direction.

The other side of this is the administrative burden publishers carry when they try to patch together sub-ID tracking manually across dozens of programs. The work involved in maintaining that visibility is often enough to make people stop doing it. The result is that decisions get made on instinct instead of evidence, and in a market moving as fast as this one, that is a genuine business risk.

The Affiliate Manager Opportunity Nobody Is Talking About

There is a version of this conversation that is purely about publisher tech. Jorge and Lee-Ann do not stay there. The more interesting question is what happens when affiliate managers start thinking about what publisher conversion data could do for their own budget decisions.

If you know that a publisher’s YouTube content converts at three times the rate of their organic articles, you do not need to be bidding for the top banner placement on their homepage. You want to be in the video. You want to negotiate commercially around the channel where the conversion is actually happening. That intelligence only exists if the publisher has it, and right now, most of them do not.

The argument for funding your top fifty publishers’ tracking tools is not charity. It is access. The publisher gets visibility they could not justify buying alone. You get data that tells you where in their ecosystem your money actually works. Everyone wins, and you have built a relationship that is genuinely harder for a competitor to displace.

Pivot or Die: What the Publishers Who Survived Did Differently

Jorge has worked directly with publishers for five or six years and has watched the upheaval that HCU updates brought to businesses that were built entirely on organic search. Some of them lost eighty percent of their revenue almost overnight.

The ones who recovered had two things in common. They knew what was working before the drop hit, because they had data. And they acted on it quickly, moving budget into paid traffic against the content that had already proven itself by converting. That is a different decision to making a panic pivot to paid media on a hunch. One is informed. The other is expensive guesswork.

Four years on, some of those publishers are generating more total revenue than before, with eighty percent now coming from paid sources instead of organic. They still produce great content. The fundamentals did not change. What changed was their willingness to diversify their traffic sources and their ability to make that shift with real numbers behind them.

Listen to Find Out More About:

  • Why EPC by traffic source and landing page is the one metric Jorge always leads with in demos, and what it reveals that network reports never will
  • How big publishers use automated link testing and monetisation scripts to protect revenue at scale without adding headcount
  • The LLM tracking feature wecantrack is building that measures how often an AI model is crawling your content, not just mentioning it
  • Why affiliate marketing as a side hustle is the myth that drives Jorge mad, and what the industry actually looks like when you pull back the lens
  • What the successful publisher looks like in 2027, in one sentence
  • Why publishers building a brand rather than just a website is the single most important strategic shift happening in the industry right now

Key Segments of This Podcast and Where You Can Tune In to Go Direct:

  • [02:00] The pain points publishers are dealing with right now: HCU losses, AI overview traffic cannibalisation, and why most are still guessing about where their revenue comes from
  • [06:50] A live demo reality check: the publisher who thought YouTube was irrelevant until the data showed it was their best-converting channel
  • [22:08] Pivot or die: real examples of publishers who lost eighty percent of organic revenue and rebuilt stronger by acting on what the data told them
  • [28:00] The rapid fire round: the one metric everyone should track, the best and worst things to happen to publishers in two years, and what 2027 looks like for the publishers who make it

A big thank you to Jorge for being so generous with what he’s seen on the ground. If this episode has made you think differently about the data sitting inside your publishing business or program, that is worth acting on sooner rather than later. Have a look at their Affiliate Dashboard or book a demo if this episode has sparked your interest.

KonverJ works with brands and affiliate managers to build publisher relationships and program strategies that are grounded in what the data actually shows. If you want to stop guessing and start making decisions that compound, get in touch with the team here.

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